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I tried to rebuild the Freiherren Schmitz Grollenburg Genealogie... Not that easy.
Thanks to sources I found among others on Adelslexikon (https://adelslexikon.com/?adel=17862&such&ab=S), I did the following (see attached).

Unfortunately, impossible to connect Catharina (1733-1803) and her brothers and sisters mentionned here (Franz Hermann (1735-1803), Johann Christoph, Franz Georg, Maria Catharina [op.cit.] & Clara Agnes) : https://books.google.be/books?id=23qVEQA...&q&f=false

Do you have an idea?

The Benzel tree seems no correct, as Friedrich Joseph (Johann Christoph's son) is not mentionned among the brothers and sisters, an his birth date is too close from Catharina's one (end 1732 - begin 1733)
https://www.archivportal-d.de/item/U2RDY...EW37WD2VBE

Thanks a lot, 

Matthieu

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I tried to rebuild the Freiherren Schmitz Grollenburg Genealogie... Not that easy.
Thanks to sources I found among others on Adelslexikon (https://adelslexikon.com/?adel=17862&such&ab=S), I did the following (see attached).

Unfortunately, impossible to connect Catharina (1733-1803) and her brothers and sisters mentionned here (Franz Hermann (1735-1803), Johann Christoph, Franz Georg, Maria Catharina [op.cit.] & Clara Agnes) : https://books.google.be/books?id=23qVEQA...&q&f=false

Do you have an idea?

The Benzel tree seems no correct, as Friedrich Joseph (Johann Christoph's son) is not mentionned among the brothers and sisters, an his birth date is too close from Catharina's one (end 1732 - begin 1733)
https://www.archivportal-d.de/item/U2RDY...EW37WD2VBE

Thanks a lot, 

Matthieu

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Please find attached some data about family von Käser (later zum Stein) in Bayern (XVIII-XIXth century).

They received a nobility recognition & Freiherr title in 1816 and totally changed arms in 1832.

I have two questions about this family : 

1) I did not succeed to find Freiherr Johann Nepomuk von Käser's (Arnstorf 1747 - München 1827) parents ; any ideas about a path to follow?

2) It is very strange a family suddently totlay changes its coat of arms ; any information about this or reason that could motivate it?



Thanks a lot, 

Matthieu

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Please find attached some data about family von Käser (later zum Stein) in Bayern (XVIII-XIXth century).

They received a nobility recognition & Freiherr title in 1816 and totally changed arms in 1832.

I have two questions about this family : 

1) I did not succeed to find Freiherr Johann Nepomuk von Käser's (Arnstorf 1747 - München 1827) parents ; any ideas about a path to follow?

2) It is very strange a family suddently totlay changes its coat of arms ; any information about this or reason that could motivate it?



Thanks a lot, 

Matthieu

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Franz Quartal, in 

Die vier vorderösterreichischen Regierungspräsidenten in der zweiten Hälfte des 18. Jahrhunderts, in Habsburg und der Oberrhein. Waldkircher Verlagsgesellschaft, Waldkirch 2002, ISBN 3-87885-344-0
says the following : 

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I am trying to find these two Sumeraw (Summeraw, Summerau) brothers parents. 

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Thad...on_Sumerau
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerau_(A...u_Prasberg

Both were born in Lantsch/Lenz, but I couldn't manage to find their parents. It is not findable in any published document, and I didn't manage to find the registers online... Quiet strange for un Uradel family

If you have any idea, don't hesitate !

Thanks a lot !]]>
Franz Quartal, in 

Die vier vorderösterreichischen Regierungspräsidenten in der zweiten Hälfte des 18. Jahrhunderts, in Habsburg und der Oberrhein. Waldkircher Verlagsgesellschaft, Waldkirch 2002, ISBN 3-87885-344-0
says the following : 

  Capture d'écran 2026-09-14 160103.png (Size: 258.07 KB / Downloads: 1)

I am trying to find these two Sumeraw (Summeraw, Summerau) brothers parents. 

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Thad...on_Sumerau
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerau_(A...u_Prasberg

Both were born in Lantsch/Lenz, but I couldn't manage to find their parents. It is not findable in any published document, and I didn't manage to find the registers online... Quiet strange for un Uradel family

If you have any idea, don't hesitate !

Thanks a lot !]]> https://schlossarchiv.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1 Sun, 13 Sep 2026 19:56:37 +0000 Brauherr]]> https://schlossarchiv.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1
1st - these children were nobled and got some of the highest political ranks in different monarchies

2nd - these children lost their inherit money when the mother died, who got the money from the etat of the king

3rd - it is nearly impossible to find out the origin from the mothers/maitresses

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1st - these children were nobled and got some of the highest political ranks in different monarchies

2nd - these children lost their inherit money when the mother died, who got the money from the etat of the king

3rd - it is nearly impossible to find out the origin from the mothers/maitresses

etc.]]>