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Schmitz Grollenburg - MatthieudeP - 10-14-2026
Dear colleages,
I tried to rebuild the Freiherren Schmitz Grollenburg Genealogie... Not that easy.
Thanks to sources I found among others on Adelslexikon (https://adelslexikon.com/?adel=17862&such&ab=S), I did the following (see attached).
Unfortunately, impossible to connect Catharina (1733-1803) and her brothers and sisters mentionned here (Franz Hermann (1735-1803), Johann Christoph, Franz Georg, Maria Catharina [op.cit.] & Clara Agnes) : https://books.google.be/books?id=23qVEQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=de#v=onepage&q&f=false
Do you have an idea?
The Benzel tree seems no correct, as Friedrich Joseph (Johann Christoph's son) is not mentionned among the brothers and sisters, an his birth date is too close from Catharina's one (end 1732 - begin 1733)
https://www.archivportal-d.de/item/U2RDYUFRBQSACESOLBXXEOEW37WD2VBE
Thanks a lot,
Matthieu
RE: Schmitz Grollenburg - Brauherr - 10-14-2026
(10-14-2026, 10:04 AM)MatthieudeP Wrote: Dear colleages,
I tried to rebuild the Freiherren Schmitz Grollenburg Genealogie... Not that easy.
Thanks to sources I found among others on Adelslexikon (https://adelslexikon.com/?adel=17862&such&ab=S), I did the following (see attached).
...
Thanks a lot,
Matthieu
if You buy these very rare volumes for Your castle-library, so You will find this Schmitz genealogy in vol. 14, page 240-243
https://www.booklooker.de/B%C3%BCcher/Herbert-M-Schleicher+Ernst-von-Oidtman-und-seine-genealogisch-heraldische-Sammlung-in-der/id/A02Eeesj01ZZO
was a joke, You know, but You can also write a request to the Universitätsbibliothek Köln, and ask for a copy of these 4 pages
RE: Schmitz Grollenburg - Brauherr - 10-14-2026
here You can find the Zillerberg wife of baron Edmund v. Schmitz-Grollenburg
https://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno-plus?aid=slk&datum=1931&page=104&size=24
and her dates under this weblink:
https://lagis.hessen.de/de/personen/hessische-biografie/alle-eintraege/26646
and the father of Edmund:
https://oberdeutsche-personendatenbank.digitale-sammlungen.de/Datenbank/Schmitz_zu_Grollenburg,_Friedrich_Joseph_Anton_Freiherr_von
finally in our Personenlexikon:
https://stammreihen.de/?people=I776824S
RE: Schmitz Grollenburg - Brauherr - 10-15-2026
By his age Friedrich Joseph (the father of Edmund) could be the oldest brother of all other Freiherren and Freiinnen, and got the title 3 months earlier in 1790, but seems to be a cousin.
Bytheway, this book has the complte genealogy of Johann Christoph v. Schmitz who married the Scherer v. H. wife (compare the second picture):
https://www.google.de/books/edition/Das_Reichskammergericht_und_seine_Richte/stdDAQAAIAAJ
RE: Schmitz Grollenburg - MatthieudeP - 10-15-2026
Thank you !
I don't know who was Catharina's father, I think he is also al the others (Franz Hermann (1735-1803), Johann Christoph, Franz Georg, Maria Catharina [op.cit.] & Clara Agnes) father !
They are born in Mainz, but I don't know with church to search !
RE: Schmitz Grollenburg - Brauherr - 10-16-2026
(10-15-2026, 07:24 AM)MatthieudeP Wrote: Thank you !
I don't know who was Catharina's father, I think he is also al the others (Franz Hermann (1735-1803), Johann Christoph, Franz Georg, Maria Catharina [op.cit.] & Clara Agnes) father !
They are born in Mainz, but I don't know with church to search !
let us wait some days for the Oidtman scans
if there is nothing new, we can check different church records